
Interview with gupt Kharkoo Singh (1992)
Interviewer: Tell me about your childhood and how you became involved with the movement ?
My father was against Sant Ji (Sant Jarnail Singh Ji), he used to say "he's uneducated, what does he know about Sikhi?" I never knew any better so I never thought much of it. My sister was really educated; she always used to get top grades in her whole class out of everyone. That’s how my childhood passed, I just wanted to get a good education.
I remember when Sant Ji started appearing on TV and on the cover of newspapers; I was interested into learning about what he stood for. I wondered is he really a Sant? I was speaking to a relative about Sant Ji and he said how Sant Ji had ordered the killings of innocent Hindus. This disgusted me; I thought is that what a Sant is supposed to do? i said some very harsh words, which I can't repeat. This played on my mind for days how he is giving Sikhs a bad reputation!
I was sat on a bus on the way back home from College and this old lady walked towards where I was sitting. With every step she took she was saying 'Waheguru'. There were many seats available but she sat next to me. As the bus was going she started doing paat, at the time I didn't know what it was but i kept hearing her say Sant.
She kept repeating Gurbani for about 10 minutes, and then she stopped and looked at me. I couldn't look at her in the eyes, it felt as if she had power in her eyes. She looked at me and said "son, to slander a saint is a massive sin"
She then said "how can one who repeats the lords name and Gurbani all day and with every breath be in the wrong? The government is trying to give us Sikhs a bad name and make false accusations, where they are actually the ones carrying out these attacks. Only time will tell and the whole world will see who is true and who is false."
My heart sank, i thought to myself how does she know I've been slandering Sant Ji.
At this point I realized that what a mistake I had made, this mother knew what I had been thinking. Such is the power of Gurbani! I asked her what she meant about only time will tell.
She replied "the future for Sikhs is going to be a struggle. Have faith my beloved son, you have been sent here also for a duty. Us Sikhs are born from sacrifice, we shouldn’t be afraid. Sant Jarnail Singh Ji is a beloved of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, never doubt this."
She then patted me on my shoulder, when her hand touched my shoulder I felt some sort of power form her hand. She then said "As Sikhs we have a duty, we must oppose injustices, when you carry out your duty, remember this"
With these words she got off the bus, as I looked back to see where she had gone she was nowhere to be seen. Only now I know that she kept repeating the salok:
"sant saran jo jan parai so jan oudhharanehaar, sant kee nidhaa naanakaa bahur bahur avathaar"
"One who seeks the Sanctuary of the Saints shall be saved. One, who slanders the Saints, O Nanak, shall be reincarnated over and over again."
I was confused about her saying about my duty; however, I still feel to this day that when she patted my shoulder my whole life changed from that day onwards.
Interviewer: When did you meet Sant Ji?
When I entered Sant Jis diwan, I remember exactly that Sant Ji was wearing a white chola with blue dastar. As i was walking to matha tek Guru Granth Sahib Ji I could feel there was something special about him. I had a 'khitch' (pulling feeling) in my stomach as I got closer, but I still remember the feeling was towards Guru Granth Sahib Ji. This assured me that Sant Ji did not want people to follow him, but to follow Guru Granth Sahib Ji. His voice was like thunder, there was silence as he spoke. Sant Ji had the roop (image) of a true Khalsa. I really felt I was in the presence of Guru Gobind Singh Jis fauj (army).
Sant Ji was talking about the importance of taking Amrit in that diwan and how a Sikh should look like his father. When the diwan finished, I wanted to go say Fateh to Sant Ji but there was too much rush. I stayed that night in Sri Amritsar in the niwas. The next day I went back to Chandigarh. I did not tell my family that I saw Sant Ji, they would have got worried. From that day onwards I started doing my Nitnem. Sant Ji was my inspiration; he was the inspiration of many Sikhs in Punjab at the time. As days increased I increased my Nitnem to the extent where I started developing a love for Sikhi. I wanted to take Amrit, but my parents said "you are at the age where education is important; you can do that sort of stuff after. I was heart broken that my parents did not allow me to take Amrit. I did not have the courage to go against their will.
Interviewer: So how did you become involved in the movement?
My mother came out and told me and my father...
(Editors note: The Singh breaks down into tears as he tells what happened to his sister.)
Two policemen had stolen my sister’s izzet (they raped her). They dragged her into a police jeep and raped her! My sister was an innocent good girl, why would someone do this. As they raped her they referred to her as 'Sardara di Kurri'. They said "if you tell anyone we will kill you". From this day my sister could not even go near any men, it took a while for her to even go near me. This changed my life! These things changed many people’s lives in Punjab. Many of our sisters izzet was taken by these dogs. I thought to myself, she was raped because she was the daughter of a Sikh, these sons of cowards will pay! Sant Ji used to say in his diwans "those that take the izzet of women should be punished!" This event led me to join the movement to take justice for all those that were oppressed by the government.Interviewer: How did you come into contact with other Singhs in the movement?
When the government attacked Sri Darbar Sahib, that was it, I left home and joined the Singhs. This woke a lot of people up, it made everyone really sad that our Sri Darbar Sahib was attacked. Why did they kill women and children as well? They wanted to eradicate Sikhi, if no one stood up we would be finished! We have no enmity for Hindus, our fight is with the government.
I had to learn my Nitnem off by heart; we are always on the run. We do not have time to sit in one place. We get about 3-4 hours sleep a day. If you read Gurbani, it gives you the 'shakti' (power) to live in these conditions. The fight is not over. Many Singhs have become Shaheed but this makes us stronger! The government has picked a fight with the wrong people.
Interviewer: Which group are you a part of and who is your jathedar?
One thing I can tell you is that, we made them police officers pay! We watched them for many days; it was frustrating because as soon as I saw them I wanted to kill them. But a Shere doesn’t pounce straight away, he watches his prey then kills. Once we figured out their daily pattern we attacked. This strategy is the most effective when you are fighting underground. It’s the first time I've killed someone, but I do not regret it. My sister's life is ruined because of those dogs. Killing them policemen has not changed my sister but at least they can't do that to someone else's sister. We ambushed their jeep and bombarded them with our 'baarra bore' (12 bore Shotguns). There were four of us on two motorcycles; we left the scene shouting 'Raj Karega Khalsa!'Interviewer: Do you want Khalistan?
Interviewer: When do you think we will get Khalistan?
Interviewer: Have you ever been arrested or imprisoned?
That night I thought they were going to kill me. When a child gets scared in the night he cries out for his mother. That night I cried out for my mother. I did an ardas to Mata Sahib Kaur Ji "dear beloved mother please help me, I am your child, please help me". As I finished my ardas, I said Fateh then lay down on the floor. Mata Ji had heard my ardas, I could not feel any pain in my body anymore. I felt as if I had been given a fresh body. Such is the greatness of our mother; Mata Sahib Kaur Ji. That night I had such a beautiful sleep. I had a dream of the establishment of Khalistan, a place where there was no 'dukh' or injustice. All I could see in my dream was peace, love and happiness. Singhs and Singhnia were reciting Gurbani, there were children learning how to read and write Punjabi. I will never forget that dream; I hope one day it becomes a reality.
Interviewer: What do you plan to do now?
We do not desire raaj, we want freedom so we can express our love for our Guru in a just manner. Sant Ji said when the Indian government attacks Sri Darbar Sahib then the foundation for Khalistan will be laid down. They've attacked so the foundation has now been laid.
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh
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